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#1
02-10-2013, 06:51 AM
 puzzledpam Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4
need help learning to solve pesky puzzle

I was given a puzzle to solve and the only clues that I have been given are: it is star trek related and there are 2 methods to solving it. I have figured out that it has been reversed, but can t get any further than that. Please help.... Dont give me the answer, but please help me figure it out....

Here is the origional puzzle as I received it.

UHYH FQLV IBPH WVUL RBDG HKWQ DERM WVDV OIUD FWHH DWSD VLQL
HURZ HQGL OUHY BPWH IOHV FWHJ KJXD RQLW IRHQ VHKW GRJH VURI QHND
DUDS HARG HKWV WVDS KWVL WXIH WHUX XIHK HUXW KWVL VDSH DWLW
LJOO PVHY HKDH FDGD HK

And here it is reversed...

KH DGDF HDKH YHVP OOJL
WLWD HSDV LVWK WXUH KHIX XUHW HIXW LVWK SDVW VWKH GRAH SDUD
DNHQ IRUV HJRG WKHV QHRI WLQR DXJK JHWF VHOI HWPB YHUO LGQH ZRUH
LQLV DSWD HHWF DUIO VDVW MRED QWKH GDBR LUVW HPBI VLQF HYHU
#2
02-10-2013, 02:12 PM
 fredsevent Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 54

How did you determine that is was reversed?
#3
02-10-2013, 07:34 PM
 puzzledpam Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4

There were other puzzles on the origional page, and they all said the same thing for instructions 2 methods. I figured out they were all reversed and it made all but this one easy.
#4
02-10-2013, 08:39 PM
 fredsevent Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 54

Quote:
 Originally Posted by puzzledpam There were other puzzles on the origional page, and they all said the same thing for instructions 2 methods. I figured out they were all reversed and it made all but this one easy.
And were there 2 methods to solve them? Are you saying they were merely the text
written in reverse? Were they grouped in 4's like this one? I wouldn't mind seeing the
original page as it may have some subtle hints, but don't bother typing it all in if that's

My point is, that I've exhausted a few "easy" things to try and am loathe to dig in for a
long-ish effort when:
1) there could be some clues, etc. to make things clearer;
2) it's not really my puzzle to solve.

And BTW, you may get more help at a site for puzzle solvers or general cryptography buffs or something. This site is really just cryptograms - which is a specific, and really simple, cipher.
#5
02-10-2013, 09:58 PM
 puzzledpam Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4

It was copied and pasted as it was on the page. In blocks of 4 and the instructions are to use to simple methods. I have exhausted all of my methods... There are no other clues.
#6
02-11-2013, 06:29 AM
 puzzledpam Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4

puzzle.jpg

i had to make it smaller so it would fit
#7
02-11-2013, 02:36 PM
 fredsevent Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 54

Quote:
 Originally Posted by puzzledpam i had to make it smaller so it would fit
Thanks. There are some nice hints there. One is that it is a quote from Star Trek, you did
not make that clear (to me) with your wording before - your wording meant it might have
something to do with key or settings or subject. And then the whopper, there's a class
where the techniques were discussed. And I note the word simple. I tried several simple
techniques, but then I haven't had the class.

Last edited by fredsevent : 02-11-2013 at 04:48 PM. Reason: errors
#8
02-11-2013, 03:01 PM
 fredsevent Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 54

Start with the original. If you shift the letters back in the alphabet 3 spots - i.e. H->E; W->T,
I believe you will have a nice distribution of letters. I'm guessing a simple transposition of
sort. I'm haven't actually done this yet, though.
#9
02-12-2013, 12:13 PM
 fredsevent Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 54

Quote:
 Originally Posted by fredsevent Start with the original. If you shift the letters back in the alphabet 3 spots - i.e. H->E; W->T, I believe you will have a nice distribution of letters. I'm guessing a simple transposition of sort. I'm haven't actually done this yet, though.
I have solved the cipher. The first step is, as I describe above, a substitution by shifting 3 places in the alphabet. And after that, it can be solved as a transposition, but that's more difficult than another way (although that's what I did).

Stop reading if you don't want step 2. The 4-letter grouping is a clue. In fact, after the proper substitution you merely reverse each group of 4. This will give you the quote from Capt. Janeway. While Janeway is not my favorite ST captain, I like Voyager better than any later ST series.

Here's the quote:
"Ever since my first day on the job as a Starfleet Captain, I
swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these Godforsaken
paradoxes. The past is the future, the future is the past, it all

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