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Robinson 08-18-2012 07:44 AM

Is this a Cryptogram?
 
I have been working on this for some time. I am ready to give up.

Is it even a cryptogram?

ONNT-NPOY-NPNP.
NUNVNS-NRNV-NV.
NPNUNO-NRNR-NR.
NVNUNP-NP-NP.
NPNRNR-NQNO-NT-NU-NPNU-NPON.
NPNRNR-OY-NV.
NQNO-NQNQ-NU.

Anybody that can solve it and tell me how, would allow me to grow some of my hair back. :D

Thanks

fredsevent 08-18-2012 01:40 PM

Hmm... well at first I thought it would be a fairly easy digraphic substitution, but
that didn't quite work. Do you have any more information or context? Where did
this come from(for instance)?

I'll play around with it some more

Lurker 08-18-2012 04:30 PM

The letters seem to be in two kinds of pairs, N- or O-. That's as far as I got, because the resulting words max out at 3 letters long. Is there any chance that they are numbers, and this is a math problem?

iltquilt 08-18-2012 06:23 PM

More context please!
 
Where did it come from? Was it on this site? I reads almost like a child's rhyme of some kind.

Vicki

iltquilt 08-18-2012 06:29 PM

How about this . . .
 
Could it be the lyrics to a rap song?

pootie49 08-19-2012 12:58 AM

Its not a substitution cypher
too many instances of the same letter
i agree with Lurker ...it looks mathematical.
its not from this site, Iltquilt.
it might be nonsensical though.

fredsevent 08-19-2012 02:08 AM

Not sure why you dismiss a substitution cipher so readily. There are 10 distinct digraphs. So, replacing them with the digits 0-9 seems reasonable, although I cannot make out anything useful with the numbers - yet. I'm still waiting for additional information - and there must be some - even if that's so-and-so made it up. It's fairly easy to construct a nearly impossible to solve cipher for "short" messages.

adfgvx 08-03-2013 04:17 AM

Here is what I think:

At first glance I thought that this was an ADFGVX cipher with the letters substituted.
For those who don't know what this is, its basically a cipher in which we have a 6x6 grid, 36 boxes, filled in with the 26 letters of the alphabet as well as the 10 numbers. Bordering the top of the grid are the letters ADFGVX as shown below:
__A D F G V X
A
D
F
G
V
X

To encrypt, one finds their plaintext letter in the grid, and looks horizontally to see which row, and vertically for which column, and uses the corresponding letters as ciphertext (digraphs).



The reasoning that this may be that kind of cipher is because it has digraphs, and the cipher seems to be made with repetitive letters. However, an ADFGVX consists of 6 distinct letters, and as someone mentioned before, there are actually 10 of them: O,N,T,P,Y,U,V,S,R,Q. While it is a bit far-fetched, may I propose that this cipher is built on a similar principle?

Lets say we have 5x5 grid, on which the outside edges are bordered by the 10 distinct letters. There are 26 letters in the alphabet, and so two letters must share a box in the grid, maybe I/J as with a playfair or probably W/X. The reason for this is because it's interesting how 9 letters, N through V are in alphabetical order, whilst Y is on its lonesome. Perhaps the gap of WX hints that those two letters share a box.

Now moving on the grid itself. The key to the grid may lie in the selection of letters represented in the cipher, as in, how it starts out with N leading on to V and then Y. Perhaps it is filled out in alphabetical order with those letters omitted, and then added on to the end. Another idea is that because N is the 14th letter in the alphabet, the key might be the word FOURTEEN, or THIRTEEN, if A is 0. Lastly, the common occurrence of N suggests that the row or column it dictates has the five vowels in it, A, E, I, O, and U.

As to why there are four letters and six letters grouped together, it may just be a decoy, and that we can split them up into pairs and look at them separately.

That's just my input, and what I think. If anybody thinks I'm onto something or I've made a grievous error, than please post to let me know.

jnoodles 08-09-2013 03:38 AM

Did you ever figure it out? It's been a while I know. Where did this come from? Any chance it isn't english?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robinson (Post 4926)
I have been working on this for some time. I am ready to give up.

Is it even a cryptogram?

ONNT-NPOY-NPNP.
NUNVNS-NRNV-NV.
NPNUNO-NRNR-NR.
NVNUNP-NP-NP.
NPNRNR-NQNO-NT-NU-NPNU-NPON.
NPNRNR-OY-NV.
NQNO-NQNQ-NU.

Anybody that can solve it and tell me how, would allow me to grow some of my hair back. :D

Thanks


jnoodles 08-09-2013 03:47 AM

I think you may be onto something here. Have you taken it any further?
Quote:

Originally Posted by adfgvx (Post 5690)
Here is what I think:

At first glance I thought that this was an ADFGVX cipher with the letters substituted.
For those who don't know what this is, its basically a cipher in which we have a 6x6 grid, 36 boxes, filled in with the 26 letters of the alphabet as well as the 10 numbers. Bordering the top of the grid are the letters ADFGVX as shown below:
__A D F G V X
A
D
F
G
V
X

To encrypt, one finds their plaintext letter in the grid, and looks horizontally to see which row, and vertically for which column, and uses the corresponding letters as ciphertext (digraphs).



The reasoning that this may be that kind of cipher is because it has digraphs, and the cipher seems to be made with repetitive letters. However, an ADFGVX consists of 6 distinct letters, and as someone mentioned before, there are actually 10 of them: O,N,T,P,Y,U,V,S,R,Q. While it is a bit far-fetched, may I propose that this cipher is built on a similar principle?

Lets say we have 5x5 grid, on which the outside edges are bordered by the 10 distinct letters. There are 26 letters in the alphabet, and so two letters must share a box in the grid, maybe I/J as with a playfair or probably W/X. The reason for this is because it's interesting how 9 letters, N through V are in alphabetical order, whilst Y is on its lonesome. Perhaps the gap of WX hints that those two letters share a box.

Now moving on the grid itself. The key to the grid may lie in the selection of letters represented in the cipher, as in, how it starts out with N leading on to V and then Y. Perhaps it is filled out in alphabetical order with those letters omitted, and then added on to the end. Another idea is that because N is the 14th letter in the alphabet, the key might be the word FOURTEEN, or THIRTEEN, if A is 0. Lastly, the common occurrence of N suggests that the row or column it dictates has the five vowels in it, A, E, I, O, and U.

As to why there are four letters and six letters grouped together, it may just be a decoy, and that we can split them up into pairs and look at them separately.

That's just my input, and what I think. If anybody thinks I'm onto something or I've made a grievous error, than please post to let me know.



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