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pootie49 06-02-2009 01:32 AM

Scoring Question
 
Is there anyway that the maximum score for each puzzle could be shown, as the rating and average time currently are, in the gray stats box??:confused:

I would imagine there is a maximum points total calculated for each puzzle..and it would be interesting to find out what each quote is worth?!!

Just a thought...as I think people who are going for points, and fastest time would be aided in knowing which puzzles have the most point value, and it would be just interesting to know.

Maybe Admin could look into that at some point. :)

Thanks!!:D

maradnu 06-03-2009 06:14 AM

Scoring
 
There seems to be 'standard' scores for each difficulty level. For 'difficult' puzzles, the max seems to be 450. Have not really studied the others enough to be quite sure what their maxs are. Will try to make time to do that, and report back.

Angie 06-03-2009 10:20 AM

good cuz im kinda curious about the scoring formula too. i agree that it would be nice to see what the max for each is.

maradnu 06-03-2009 03:01 PM

Scoring
 
Maximum points for Difficult - 450
Maximum points for Average - 300
Maximum points for Easy - 150

Have some data and will analyze it and give you a rough guide to the formula later, but it looks like for every six seconds, or portion thereof, you lose one point from the maximum.

Altoid701 06-03-2009 03:34 PM

I can tell you that I solved an intermediate-level crypto a couple days ago in 8 seconds and I got 298 points. So while the "max" may be 300 like maradnu is saying, I don't really see anyone getting anything above 298. I'll keep my eye out for the other scores. What maradnu said seems to make sense, though.

maradnu 06-03-2009 04:36 PM

Scoring grid
 
From To Difficult Average Easy
1 6 449 299 149
7 12 448 298 148
13 18 447 297 147
19 24 446 296 146
25 30 445 295 145
31 36 444 294 144
37 42 443 293 143
43 48 442 292 142
49 54 441 291 141
55 60 440 290 140
61 66 439 289 139
67 72 438 288 138
73 78 437 287 137
79 84 436 286 136
85 90 435 285 135
91 96 434 284 134
97 102 433 283 133
103 108 432 282 132
109 114 431 281 131
115 120 430 280 130

This is based on about twenty times and scores, but assuming a regular pattern. Since none of my times were below 20 seconds, and I've never had a time under 10 seconds, parts of this are extrapolation.

(note - this will not pick up columnization - sorry for the clumped data)

pootie49 06-03-2009 10:01 PM

Wow
 
Maradnu,

Thanks for going to all the work that it must have taken to come up with all that data...I appreciate it. It's amazing!!!:D

What I would like to see though, is the maximum point total for each individual puzzle shown in the stats box...for I have seen some average puzzles have different points values, as do the other levels of difficulty.

Par example:
I solved an "average" rated puzzle today, and received 297 points. I solved another "average" puzzle a few minutes later, in the same time, and received 147 points. Note: This could be an error in the rating of the puzzle which is possible (possibly just entered wrong when the puzzle was loaded - maybe it should have said "easy")

I imagine this would take Stephen a tremendous amount of time to enter all these points values for all current puzzles, however he did change the stats box to reflect the start time of a puzzle recently...so maybe when he loads another batch he might consider adding the max. points value for each puzzle.

I hope this makes sense, its hard for me to explain things sometimes.

Once again, thanks Maradnu.:D

wvwoman 06-24-2012 03:24 AM

More thanks, and another question
 
I also appreciate this information---it was driving me NUTS trying to figure out how scores were computed!

I agree with Pootie---it would save a lot of confusion if the maximum # of points possible for each puzzle were listed---I'd like to see them on the results page as well, when I can take the time to study the info.

I've noticed that some of the puzzles listed as "easy" or "average" are difficult for me...when I get to the results page and scroll down to leave my 'vote' for rate of difficulty, I'll often notice that others agree, as it will have a rating of 6 to 9---so my question is: do the puzzle ratings ever change, based on user feedback, or are they just for our own information?

I'm really enjoying reading these posts---I feel like I've lucked upon a really helpful and thoughtful group of puzzlers and am glad to be in your midst!

LiveLoveLaugh 06-24-2012 04:14 AM

Welcome
 
The longer puzzles are considered easy, the shorter ones most difficult.

Have fun solving.

Lurker 06-24-2012 04:16 AM

We've tried asking nicely for Admin to rate the puzzles based on something like player feedback or % solve rate. It must be easier for the program to call them "difficult", "average", or "easy" based on the number of letters in the quote. Mostly, I ignore the distinction and just try to solve it as though every one was a challenge.


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