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bansaisequoia
10-12-2008, 07:36 AM
We've seen a number of quotes on this site which seem to be incomplete. In this particular quote, what is being defined? Obviously something is a system in which there are two great commandments. No more of these quote fragments.


"A system in which the two great commandments are to hate your neighbor and to love your neighbor's wife. "
— Thomas B. Macaulay

munchlet
10-15-2008, 07:32 AM
returns this clarification:

From the poetry of Lord Byron they drew a system of ethics, compounded of misanthropy and voluptuousness, in which the two great commandments were to hate your neighbor and to love your neighbor's wife.

Note the indefinite referent "they" -- to whom does this refer?

Further search brings up the following:

"A Biographical Sketch of Lord Byron (1788-1824)"

(under blupete.com/literature)

The great Macaulay wrote that the 19th century romantics drew from Byron's poetry "a system of ethics compounded of misanthropy and voluptuousness: a system in which the two great commandments were to hate your neighbor and to love your neighbor's wife."

Now this references:

Macaulay's essay, "Moore's Life on Lord Byron," June, 1831

which prompts a Google Book Search with the following result:

Macaulay on Byron (1831)

Thomas Babington Macauley (1800-59), essayist, historian, and politician. Review of Thomas Moore's Letters and Journals of Lord Byron: with Notices of his Life (1830), Edinburgh Review, June 1831, LIII, 544-72. (The essay was reprinted with minor revisions in Macaulay's Critical and Historical Essays, 1843, which ran through many editions.)

So. What we have, abbreviated into a sentence fragment and propagated through cyberspace, seems to be Thomas Babington Macauley's commentary on contemporary 19th century interpretation of the late Lord Byron's poetry. These romantic interpreters were perhaps distant forebears of 20th century beatniks and hippies. Macauley, a Scotsman, might not have approved.

You think?

Luckily for Bansaisequoia, I won't be winning a trophy in the monthly competitions... leaving ample free time for these ad hoc literary investigations. See next post for Stevenson vs. Stevenson (not incomplete but misattributed).

munchlet
10-15-2008, 08:12 AM
It took 744 secs to solve this one, attributed to 20th century American politician, Adlai Stevenson:

Under the wide and starry sky,
Dig the grave and let me lie.

What's wrong with this quotation? Well, it's a poem, for starters, and to my knowledge our two-time failed presidential candidate wrote no poetry. It turns out to be an excerpt from Requiem, by Robert Louis Stevenson (another Scottish writer, best known for Treasure Island and The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde).

Plagued by lifelong illness (tuberculosis or maybe sarcoidosis a la Bernie Mac), Stevenson died in 1894, aged 44, tragically young by today's standards. But in his epitaph he claims no regrets:

Sick and well, I have had a splendid life of it, grudge nothing, regret very little ...

Glad did I live and gladly die,
And I laid me down with a will.

Andrea

smoochie222
10-15-2008, 11:51 PM
"Quotation: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
— Ambrose Bierce

bansaisequoia
10-16-2008, 02:08 AM
Was it actually Ambrose Bierce who said this? Are you sure you're not paraphrasing? Is this really complete, or is there a larger context? Something doesn't feel right.;)

Laura
10-17-2008, 06:08 AM
I have in truth enjoyed this thread immensely. And Munchlet, thanks for all your research.

impededredwood
10-18-2008, 09:57 PM
Laura, does that word mean truth too? It's all Greek to me.:rolleyes:

Laura
10-18-2008, 11:37 PM
Yes, it does impeded. It's pronounced Alκtheia. (I took a semester of school in Greece ;-)

bansaisequoia
10-19-2008, 12:17 AM
"The disease which inflicts bureaucracy and what they usually die from is routine. "
— John Stuart Mill

Still yet another. D'oh!

bansaisequoia
10-19-2008, 05:35 AM
"To spend life for something which outlasts it. "
— William James

D'oh!:eek:

bansaisequoia
10-19-2008, 09:32 PM
"That perfect bliss and sole felicity, the sweet fruition of an earthly crown. "
— Christopher Marlowe

D'oh!:eek:

smoochie222
10-24-2008, 06:34 AM
"Every quotation contributes something to the stability or enlargement of the language. "
— Samuel Johnson

or


"The point of quotations is that one can use another's words to be insulting."
— Amanda Cross

bansaisequoia
10-25-2008, 11:45 PM
"It is the child of avarice, the brother of iniquity, and the father of mischief. "
— George Washington


D'oh!

maradnu
10-25-2008, 11:50 PM
Gambling - or so it would appear from a quick googling.

I agree that it does not seem fair to omit that however.

I'd prefer if the quote were: "Gambling ... is the child of avarice, the brother of iniquity, and the father of mischief."

bansaisequoia
10-26-2008, 09:26 PM
"They are so filthy and bestial that no honest man would admit one into his house for a water-closet doormat. "
— Charles Dickens

I'm dying to know who he's referring to, but I'm not able to find it by a quick internet search.

D'oh!:eek:

maradnu
10-27-2008, 03:04 AM
Is it not a horrible thing that scoundrel-booksellers should grow rich here [in America] from publishing books, the authors of which do not reap one farthing from their issue, by scores of thousands? And that every vile, blackguard, and detestable newspaper,--so filthy and so bestial that no honest man would admit one into his house, for a water-closet doormat--should be able to publish those same writings, side by side, cheek by jowl, with the coarsest and obscene companions. . . .? I vow before High Heaven that my blood so boils at these enormities, that when I speak about them, I seem to grow twenty feet high, and to swell out in proportion. "Robbers that ye are"--I think to myself, when I get upon my legs--"Here goes!"

smoochie222
10-27-2008, 03:35 AM
Juliet John????

maradnu
10-27-2008, 05:21 AM
Charles Dickens's Oliver Twist: A Sourcebook
by Juliet John
Softcover, Routledge, ISBN 0415255309 (0-415-25530-9)

Cult Criminals: The Newgate Novels, 1830-1847
by Juliet John, Edward Bulwer-Lytton, William Harrison Ainsworth
Hardcover, Routledge, ISBN 0415143837 (0-415-14383-7)

Dickens's Villains: Melodrama, Character, Popular Culture
by Juliet John
Softcover, Oxford Univ Pr on Demand, ISBN 0199261377 (0-19-926137-7)

Rereading Victorian Fiction
by Alice Jenkins, Juliet John
Softcover, Macmillan Publishers Limited, ISBN 0333973852 (0-333-97385-2)

Rethinking Victorian Culture
by Juliet John, Alice Jenkins
Hardcover, Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 0312226799 (0-312-22679-9)

bansaisequoia
10-27-2008, 07:16 PM
Thanks for all the info, maradnu. You make me feel like a slacker for not digging a little further on the net.

maradnu
10-28-2008, 01:56 AM
Not necessarily.

I enjoy googling all manner of things, for all manner of reasons, or no reason at all. (As ferrym found out the one time.)

At one point, the Tampa paper had a quiz of sorts. They'd have a line from a song, book, or movie. I was one of a hand full of people who went over a year without missing any - and some were tough.

cayot
11-05-2008, 05:48 PM
"A good place to visit, but a poor place to stay. "
— Josh Billings

Should read:

"Solitude: A good place to visit, but a poor place to stay. "
— Josh Billings

maradnu
11-08-2008, 05:49 AM
The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. - Ambrose Bierce

should be:

Quoting: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. - Ambrose Bierce

opallady
11-08-2008, 09:26 PM
How about an incomplete attribution? "On the edge of destiny you must test your strength." was attributed to Billy. Billy who? Billy Bishop, if you do a simple web search.

bansaisequoia
11-11-2008, 08:33 PM
"The mortal sickness of a mind too unhappy to be kind."
— A. E. Houseman


D'oh!:eek:

bansaisequoia
11-12-2008, 03:41 AM
"Something made greater by ourselves and in turn that makes us greater. "
— Maya Angelou

http://www.cals.lib.ar.us/butlercenter/abho/photos/Maya%20Angelou.jpg

D'oh!:eek:

maradnu
11-12-2008, 07:00 AM
We found nothing grand in the history of the Jews nor in the morals inculcated in the Pentateuch. I know of no other books that so fully teach the subjection and degradation of woman. Elizabeth Cady Stanton

What is the purpose of posting quotes that dump on anyone's religion? I really don't care whether it's Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, or whatever.

smoochie222
11-12-2008, 04:39 PM
it's the truth?

Then again, you can opt for showing no offensive quotes, however what's offensive to you doesn't seem to be offensive to me.

Rant on :)

bansaisequoia
11-12-2008, 09:02 PM
What is the purpose of posting quotes that dump on anyone's religion? I really don't care whether it's Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, or whatever.

While I would never "dump" on any of the religions you've mentioned, I wouldn't find it too offensive if there was a quote denouncing Satanism. Admittedly, this is perhaps not a major religion, but how about the Church of Scientology? They even have an IRS exemption these days. I have to admit I wouldn't find a quote denouncing Scientology offensive.

http://www.lermanet.com/image/southpark-xenu.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

maradnu
11-24-2008, 04:01 PM
"A heroic figure... not wholly to blame for the religion that's been foisted on him. "

Ezra Pound was referring to Jesus Christ.

Not only do we miss the reference, it is also a dig at religion.

bansaisequoia
11-25-2008, 02:32 AM
Consider, if you will, the source. A purported anti-Semite who used to consort with Mussolini and spent time in Italy during World War II as a pro-Axis propagandist on the radio. After being brought up on treason charges in the US, he pleaded insanity and spent the next 12 years in an asylum.

http://www.rockymountainvodka.com/images/blog_images/13469_Ezra_Pound_1945_May_26_mug_shot.jpg

Mark it 10-stars offensive if you will. I've certainly done this to a number of quotes. Nonetheless, in my preferences, I don't ask admin to filter out offensive quotes.

maradnu
11-27-2008, 07:38 PM
"My play was a complete success. The audience was a failure."

Listed as unattributed, but is from "history's only full time, professional published epigrammatist" - Ashleigh Brilliant

Also known for "I may not be totally perfect, but parts of me are excellent" and "I have abandoned my search for truth and am now looking for a good fantasy".

bansaisequoia
11-28-2008, 09:45 PM
Thanks for sharing that, maradnu. That last quote by Brilliant was brilliant. I think that I'm looking for that good fantasy, too. But here's another incomplete one by Ambrose Bierce: "A lowly virtue whereby mediocrity achieves a glorious success." It should have been preceded by "Perseverance."

http://www.familie-peck.de/gp/gringo.jpeg

D'oh!:eek:

bansaisequoia
11-30-2008, 04:12 AM
Now that I've posted the above picture of Gregory Peck as Ambrose Bierce in the 1989 film "Old Gringo," who should appear in of one of this site's new quotes, but Carlos Fuentes, author of the novel, "Gringo Viejo." He makes me wish I could read Spanish because I'm sure I'm missing something in an English translation.

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20070607elpepicul_1/LCO340/Ies/escritor_Carlos_Fuentes.jpg

Thanks for all the great new quotes, Stephen!

bansaisequoia
12-04-2008, 02:52 AM
"We cannot do without it, and yet we disgrace and vilify the same. It may be compared to a cage, the birds without despair to get in, and those within despair to get out. "
— http://www.weltchronik.de/ws/bio/m/montaigneM/mm01592a-MontaigneMichelEyquemDe-15330228b-15920913d.jpg

This Michel Eyquem de Montaigne quote should have been preceded by "marriage."

D'oh!:eek:

maradnu
12-06-2008, 11:15 PM
Non violence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence.

Just looking at it, I thought it had to be either Gandhi or Martin Luther King.

It is a quote from King.

kat
12-06-2008, 11:25 PM
"The war existing between the senses and reason."

The whole quote is:

"The most powerful cause of error is the war existing between the senses and reason." -Blaise Pascal

kat
12-07-2008, 10:55 PM
"a day spent in a round of strenuous idleness."

"Golf is a day spent in a round of strenuous idleness."
William Wordsworth (1770 - 1850) English poet
"In ""The Golfer's Book of Wisdom,"" ed. by Criswell Freeman, 1995."
=R Found in: one/246s014.htm

Makes much more sense when you have the full quote!:rolleyes:

bansaisequoia
12-11-2008, 02:52 AM
"It resembles a pair of shears, so joined that they cannot be separated, often moving in opposite directions, yet always punishing anyone who comes between them. "

http://smith.classicauthors.net/pictures/Smith,Sydney.jpg

This Sydney Smith quote should also have been preceded by "marriage."

D'oh!:eek:

kat
12-12-2008, 11:55 PM
One who limits himself to his chosen mode of ignorance. -Elbert Hubbard

An expert is one who limits himself to his chosen mode of ignorance. -E. Hubbard

bansaisequoia
12-13-2008, 03:28 AM
Thanks for the addition to the thread, kat. I first heard of Elbert Hubbard about 10 years ago, when one of my hospitality industry managers posted an epigram from him as an inspirational quote in our restaurant. This manager was kind of a nut who paid money for astrological charts (pardon my empiricist leanings), so I figured he must have mistakenly misattributed a quote from L Ron Hubbard. Later I learned to my surprise that there really was a man named Elbert Hubbard.

http://www.nndb.com/people/212/000048068/elbert-hubbard.jpg

An interesting thing to note about him is that he and his spouse met their demise as passengers aboard the ill-fated Lusitania in 1915.

maradnu
12-13-2008, 03:38 AM
Kin Hubbard is a lot different from L. Ron.

Wittier, to say the least.

The cryptoquotes in my paper have sayings by him with some regularity.

bansaisequoia
12-15-2008, 04:28 AM
"To myself, personally, it brings nothing but increasing drudgery and daily loss of friends. "
— Thomas Jefferson


http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/d/de/designkryt/475139_two_dollar_bill.jpg

This should have preceded by "No man will ever bring out of the Presidency the reputation which carries him into it."

D'oh!:eek:

bansaisequoia
12-22-2008, 12:49 AM
"A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing. "

This Ambrose Bierce quote should have been preceded by "philosophy."
(Or as Eugene O'Neill might have referred to it, "foolosophy.")

http://www.prs.heacademy.ac.uk/images/phil_image1.jpg

D'oh!:eek:

maradnu
12-22-2008, 01:55 AM
"A punishment to some, to some a gift, and to many a favor." - Seneca

Should be preceded by "Death"

kat
01-04-2009, 10:12 PM
"The pseudonym of God when he did not want to sign." -Anatole France


The complete quote is....

"Chance is perhaps the pseudonym of God when He did not want to sign."

bansaisequoia
01-06-2009, 07:45 PM
"A poor man who eats too much, as contradistinguished from a gourmand, who is a rich man who lives well."

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/mol/jpgs/vi-creo3.jpg

This Elbert Hubbard quote should have been preceded by "Glutton."
(Anyone ever see Monty Python's The Meaning of Life?)
D'oh!:eek:

opallady
01-06-2009, 09:40 PM
"It's only wafer thin."

sonofcarc
01-06-2009, 11:43 PM
Today I came across: "'Experience keeps a school but fools will learn at no other' -- Benjamin Franklin." When the "dear" before "school" is dropped it ceases to make sense.

(I know the quote is in there correctly, probably more than once. Presumably duplication is unavoidable given the volume.)

maradnu
01-08-2009, 06:24 AM
"To gain that which is worth having, it may be necessary to lose everything else." - Bernadette

Should be Bernadette Devlin

cayot
01-12-2009, 03:55 PM
"Battering the gates of heaven with the storms of prayer. "
— Alfred Lord Tennyson

Is a fragment of the poem St. Simeon Stylites. I would prefer:

...I will not cease to grasp the hope I hold
Of saintdom, and to clamour, mourn and sob,
Battering the gates of heaven with storms of prayer,
Have mercy, Lord, and take away my sin.

cayot
01-12-2009, 04:48 PM
"I hate the place like poison with a sincere hatred. "
— Unattributed

Actually, F. Scott Fitzgerald

sonofcarc
01-13-2009, 01:20 AM
Here's another Ambrose Bierce definition that leaves out the term being defined: "A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing."

The word omitted is "Philosophy."

bansaisequoia
02-11-2009, 05:37 AM
"They are the only honest hypocrites. Their life is a voluntary dream, a studied madness. The height of their ambition is to be beside themselves. Today kings, tomorrow beggars, it is only when they are themselves that they are nothing. Made up of mimic laughter and tears, passing from the extremes of joy or woe at the prompter's call, they wear the livery of other men's fortunes; their very thoughts are not their own.

This William Hazlitt quote should have been preceded by "actors."

http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/dft21/hazlitt.jpg
D'oh!:eek:

admin
02-16-2009, 09:22 PM
Just a quick note - if you notice an incomplete quote, or a typo, or whatever, please feel free to use the new "Add a Comment" field to report it. I've got a new system set up that makes it much easier for me to fix these problems as they're reported. (Fixed a bunch in the past week thanks to user reports - thank you!)

bansaisequoia
02-17-2009, 03:22 AM
Thanks, Stephen. Just to let you know, I'm really not at all peeved with the incomplete quotes, even though I started this thread with a little frowny face. We are well able to solve these quotes, even if we don't know the greater context. And (if you've been reading this thread) you can see that we're able to find the subject of most of these quotes through a quick internet search. I just added this topic to the forum for fun, and I'm not an obsessive-compulsive.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rma/lowres/rman5169l.jpg

However, once in a while I do point out slight errors in the cryptos. e.g. "For ever" instead of "forever." Now I can tell you exactly what the problem is, instead of just giving it 10 stars.

bansaisequoia
05-30-2009, 11:04 PM
"Its proper use is to amuse the idle, and relax the studious, and dilute the full meals of those who cannot use exercise, and will not use abstinence."

This Samuel Johnson quote should have been preceded by "tea."

http://fc04.deviantart.com/images/large/indyart/comics/Tea_Time.jpg
D'oh:eek:!

kat
05-31-2009, 12:05 AM
The kind that comes with little cakes is my favorite!

maradnu
06-01-2009, 01:54 AM
http://www.ideachampions.com/weblogs/cup%20of%20tea.jpg

bansaisequoia
06-09-2009, 07:48 PM
"It is the only sensual pleasure without vice. "

This Samuel Johnson quote should have been preceded by "music."

http://www.musictimes.com.au/images/illegal-music-downloading-logo1.gif

bansaisequoia
06-20-2009, 10:52 PM
"A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle, and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood. "

The subject of this Edmund Burke quote was Americans.

http://www.fdlpl.org/graphics/diverse.jpg

maradnu
06-21-2009, 04:01 AM
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Sidebox-Kitten-Thinks-R.jpg

bansaisequoia
06-27-2009, 02:46 AM
"What an occupation! To sit and flay your fellow men and then offer their skins for sale and expect them to buy them."

This August Strindberg quote should have been preceded by "writing."

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/ren/postgradstudy/palaeography/scribe.jpg

pootie49
07-06-2009, 06:30 PM
It is the child of avarice, the brother of iniquity, and the father of mischief. - George Washington

He refers to gambling or gaming to be exact.:cool:
http://www.clipartguide.com/_thumbs/0511-0811-0415-3750.jpg

bansaisequoia
09-11-2009, 03:26 AM
"It is for the wise people who delight in humanity, praise justice, despise their flatterers, and respect the truth."
— Jeanne-Marie Roland

Can anyone find the whole of this quote? I spent ten minutes on a Google advanced search to no avail. Who will impress me?

http://bestoftheweb.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/search-engines.jpg

Lurker
09-11-2009, 04:20 AM
Quotes.net and several other sites agree that it is the entire quote. I couldn't find a context. Sorry.

bansaisequoia
09-11-2009, 05:32 AM
But what is IT???

http://www.blacklistrideshop.com/store/images/Incomplete%20300dpi.jpg

anatolia
09-16-2009, 10:29 PM
"It is for the wise people who delight in humanity, praise justice, despise their flatterers, and respect the truth."
— Jeanne-Marie Roland

Can anyone find the whole of this quote? I spent ten minutes on a Google advanced search to no avail. Who will impress me?

http://bestoftheweb.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/search-engines.jpg

Liberty.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ebQEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA286&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0l3uoL2Ikue7_QTt1mMTS62UYCiw&ci=125%2C299%2C704%2C555&edge=0

bansaisequoia
09-16-2009, 10:53 PM
Thanks, Anatolia! You're too good to me!

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1580/29fs17ajx2.jpg
(Notice the superfluous apostrophe on this Turkish CD?)

pootie49
09-18-2009, 01:17 AM
Little other than a red tape talking-machine, and unhappy bag of parliamentary eloquence. - Thomas Carlyle
(as it appears in the cryptogram)

And here is the beginning of that quote...

I perceive, with boundless alarm, that I shall have to set about discovering such,--I, since I am at the top of affairs, with all men looking to me. Alas, it is my new task in this New Era; and God knows, I too,
little other than a red tape talking-machine unhappy bag of parliamentary eloquence.

pootie49
10-25-2009, 08:44 AM
Spiritual maturity is marked by spiritual knowledge being put into action ~
Edward Bedore

The full quote is:

The knowledge of Christ's love for us should cause us to love Him in such a way that it is demonstrated in our attitude, conduct, and commitment to serve God. Spiritual maturity is marked by spiritual knowledge being put into action

pootie49
10-27-2009, 01:20 AM
The quote is given as:

One of those men who reach such an acute limited excellence at twenty-one that everything afterward savors of anticlimax ~ Unattributed :confused:

Describing Tom Buchanan, a Yale man and classmate of the narrator:"[He] had been one of the most powerful ends that ever played football at New Haven-a national figure in a way, one of those men who reach such an acute limited excellence at twenty-one that everything afterward savors of anticlimax,"
Author: F. Scott Fitzgerald

http://www.clipartheaven.com/clipart/sports/cartoons_(d_-_q)/football_player_19.gif

pootie49
11-04-2009, 02:25 AM
"It resembles a pair of shears, so joined that they cannot be separated, often moving in opposite directions, yet always punishing anyone who comes between them. " Sydney Smith

The "it" to which he refers is marriage.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/glitters/j/just_married-4756.gif

pootie49
11-16-2009, 12:39 AM
An event has happened, upon which it is difficult to speak, and impossible to be silent. ~ Edmund Burke

I have solved this quote many, many times and always wondered to what he was referring.

SPEECH
ON
THE SIXTH ARTICLE OF CHARGE.
THIRD DAY: TUESDAY, MAY 5, 1789.
My Lords,--Agreeably to your Lordships' proclamation, which I have just heard, and the duty enjoined me by the House of Commons, I come forward to make good their charge of high crimes and misdemeanors against Warren Hastings, Esquire, late Governor-General of Bengal, and now a prisoner at your bar.
My Lords, since I had last the honor of standing in this place before your Lordships, An event has happened, upon which it is difficult to speak, and impossible to be silent.
http://www.nndb.com/people/124/000101818/warren-hastings-1.jpg

pootie49
11-20-2009, 10:56 PM
The lightning flashes through my skull; mine eyeballs ache and ache; my whole beaten brain seems as beheaded, and rolling on some stunning ground. ~ Herman Melville

[Sudden, repeated flashes of lightning; the nine flames leap lengthwise
to thrice their previous height; Ahab, with the rest, closes his eyes,
his right hand pressed hard upon them.]

"I own thy speechless, placeless power; said I not so?
Nor was it wrung from me; nor do I now drop these links.
Thou canst blind; but I can then grope. Thou canst consume;
but I can then be ashes. Take the homage of these poor eyes,
and shutter-hands. I would not take it. The lightning
flashes through my skull; mine eyeballs ache and ache;
my whole beaten brain seems as beheaded, and rolling on some
stunning ground. Oh, oh! Yet blindfold, yet will I talk to thee.
Light though thou be, thou leapest out of darkness;
but I am darkness leaping out of light, leaping out of thee!

From Moby Dick
http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/moby-dick-medium-300x300.jpg